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Published on November 4, 2004 By CraigAlan In Politics
This is from "The Daily Mirror," a paper in Great Britain (one of our "greatest allies")

"THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.
This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air. And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and very small nation.
This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards the rest of humanity.
And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John Kerry victory, it seemed they had.
But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put before them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.
A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes an awesome fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity.
A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase America's grip on the world's economies and natural resources.
And in foolishly backing him, Americans have given the go-ahead for more unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability and most probably another 9/11.
Why else do you think bin Laden was so happy to scare them to the polls, then made no attempt to scupper the outcome?
There's only one headline in town today, folks: "It Was Osama Wot Won It."
And soon he'll expect pay-back. Well, he can't allow Bush to have his folks whoopin' and a-hollerin' without his own getting a share of the fun, can he?
Heck, guys, I hope you're feeling proud today.
To the tens of millions who voted for John Kerry, my commiserations.
To the overwhelming majority of you who didn't, I simply ask: Have you learnt nothing? Do you despise your own image that much?
Do you care so little about the world beyond your shores? How could you do this to yourselves?
How appalling must one man's record at home and abroad be for you to reject him?
Kerry wasn't the best presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded (and he did deserve a kicking for that "reporting for doo-dee" moment), but at least he understood the complexity of the world outside America, and domestic disgraces like the 45 million of his fellow citizens without health cover.
He would have done something to make that country fairer and re-connected it with the wider world.
Instead America chose a man without morals or vision. An economic incompetent who inherited a $2billion surplus from Clinton, gave it in tax cuts to the rich and turned the US into the world's largest debtor nation.
A man who sneers at the rights of other nations. Who has withdrawn from international treaties on the environment and chemical weapons.
A man who flattens sovereign states then hands the rebuilding contracts to his own billionaire party backers.
A man who promotes trade protectionism and backs an Israeli government which continually flouts UN resolutions.
America has chosen a menacingly immature buffoon who likened the pursuit of the 9/11 terrorists to a Wild West, Wanted Dead or Alive man-hunt and, during the Afghanistan war, kept a baseball scorecard in his drawer, notching up hits when news came through of enemy deaths.
A RADICAL Christian fanatic who decided the world was made up of the forces of good and evil, who invented a war on terror, and thus as author of it, believed he had the right to set the rules of engagement.
Which translates to telling his troops to do what the hell they want to the bad guys. As he has at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and countless towns across Iraq.
You have to feel sorry for the millions of Yanks in the big cities like New York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco who voted to kick him out.
These are the sophisticated side of the electorate who recognise a gibbon when they see one.
As for the ones who put him in, across the Bible Belt and the South, us outsiders can only feel pity.
Were I a Kerry voter, though, I'd feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets.
The self-righteous, gun-totin', military lovin', sister marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport ownin' red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest d*** in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land "free and strong".
You probably won't be surprised to learn of would-be Oklahoma Republican Senator Tom Coburn who, on Tuesday, promised to ban abortion and execute any doctors who carried them out.
He also told voters that lesbianism is so rampant in the state's schools that girls were being sent to toilets on their own. Not that any principal could be found to back him up.
These are the people who hijack the word patriot and liken compassion to child-molesting. And they are unknowingly bin Laden's chief recruiting officers.
Al-Qaeda's existence is fuelled by the outpourings of America's Christian right. Bush is its commander-in-chief. And he and bin Laden need each other to survive.
Both need to play Lex Luther to each others' Superman with their own fanatical people. Maybe that's why the mightiest military machine ever assembled has failed to catch the world's most wanted man.
Or is the reason simply that America is incompetent? That behind the bluff they are frightened and clueless, which is why they've stayed with the devil they know.
VISITORS from another planet watching this election would surely not credit the amateurism.
The queues for hours to register a tick; the 17,000 lawyers needed to ensure there was no cheating; the $1.2bn wasted by parties trying to discredit the enemy; the allegations of fraud, intimidation and dirty tricks; the exit polls which were so wildly inaccurate; an Electoral College voting system that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and efficiency; and the delays and the legal wrangles in announcing the victor.
Yet America would have us believe theirs is the finest democracy in the world. Well, that fine democracy has got the man it deserved. George W Bush.
But is America safer today without Kerry in charge? A man who overnight would have given back to the UN some credibility and authority. Who would have worked out the best way to undo the Iraq mess without fear of losing face.
Instead, the questions facing America today are - how many more thousands of their sons will die as Iraq descends into a new Vietnam? And how many more Vietnams are on the horizon now they have given Bush the mandate to go after Iran, Syria, North Korea or Cuba...?
Today is a sad day for the world, but it's even sadder for the millions of intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.
Yanks had the chance to show the world a better way this week, instead they made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory.
And in doing so it brought Armageddon that little bit closer and re-christened their beloved nation The Home Of The Knave and the Land Of The Freak.
God Help America."

We cannot continue to ignore outside opinion of America. We make the world an unsafe and unwelcome place for Americans. You who would disagree with this, who would ignore it, who would say "f*** you" to it... you have lost the ability to care. You've lost touch with humanity. In your mind it's "who gives a f*** about the rest of the world, we're America, and we're gonna kick some ass." Why, for the love of all good, why? Why do you think this way, tell me why? Why do you wish to potentially doom our country to attack? Why do you wish upon us the harsh criticism, the sneering, the odd looks, and the attitude that Americans are stupid? Don't even start with that "the election is over" crap with me. Give me one damn good reason why we should not listen. Why we should turn a blind eye and a deaf ear and only listen to that little devil inside us that tells us to lash out and attack rather than try to understand. You accuse liberals like myself of not being smart, not being able to think for ourselves, of being evil pinko Stalinist sheep... so why do YOU follow Bush so willingly? I'm not going to do any name-calling here, but I think we should ALL take a moment and LISTEN to what the person above is saying. Some of us may not like it, it may make us angry and want to lash out. A comment I'd make to this is: the truth hurts. Not the truth in the argument itself, but the truth that people think this way.

Get over it, you'll say; Kerry lost, you'll say. Shut up, some of you might say. I say: no. I will not. I will open my mouth and let my voice be heard. You can plug your ears all you want, but realize that makes you guilty of the very same things you've accused me (not me specifically, but liberals in general) of doing: of not being willing to face the truth. I am disappointed, disheartened, and distraught over this. I will rant, I will rave, and I will say what I want to say about it. Don't tell me to shut up, because I won't. Moreover, I care about what people outside the U.S. think. This may be America and we may have our own way of doing things around here (and if you don't love it, leave it), but the fact is if you want to think that way then you lose sight of the bigger picture.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

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on Nov 04, 2004
Though this paper does not speak for 2/3 of the British population and they know that but they thought they had people convinced that Bush was wrong for America but 59 Million have told the world otherwise.

Plinko!!
on Nov 04, 2004
I'm sorry, but if 59 miillion people told me to go jump off a bridge, I wouldn't do it. My point is that the majority is not ALWAYS right. Thomas Jefferson himself said "A Democracy is nothing more than a mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49." Well... 55 million people voting against Bush is nothing to sneeze at. However, this is the message I'm getting so far: we don't care, you don't matter, shut up. Well, f*** you. I do matter. And even if nobody else says anything about this, I will gladly speak up and announce my feelings. You can ignore me, that's your right. But don't EVER accuse me of being a blind sheep that shuts out everyone elses opinions. I hear them. Yeah, I hear them in spades. You don't want to hear me, but you will. I just became your worst nightmare. I just decided I'm not going to be the guy who rolls over, shuts up, and gets out of the way. I can be a man and admit Bush won and Kerry lost, but don't expect me for one instant to LIKE it. If this makes me the crazy person on the corner that nobody listens to, fine, so be it. Just realize that this makes everything I assume about you right: that you won't listen, that you don't care, and that you'd almost want me at the end of a rope somewhere just so that you don't have to listen to me.

I'm all for arguments. Bring 'em on, I say, to use the words of the man I voted against. Bring on the debates, the opposite opinions, the facts, and the data. But don't tell me to shut up. You wouldn't like it if I told YOU to shut up. So put yourself in my shoes here.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
on Nov 04, 2004
I'm sorry, but if 59 miillion people told me to go jump off a bridge, I wouldn't do it.


This has nothing to do with what Grim said. Also, how far from the ground would the bridge be? if it were only five feet id probably jump.

Thomas Jefferson himself said


Jefferson also said he wanted America to be a farm country, good thing we listened to Hamilton, eh?

But don't EVER accuse me of being a blind sheep that shuts out everyone elses opinions.


Your a blind sheep that shuts out everyone elses opinions

My point is that the majority is not ALWAYS right.


In the USA it is

on Nov 04, 2004
If the Majority is always right, then how come Al Gore wasn't elected president, hmm?

Don't bring up the Electoral College, etc. I'm talking about the POPULAR vote.

I'm not shutting out your opinion, Mitch. Your comments are welcome on my thread (as I don't have a personal blog nor do I think I want one). I must admit that the whole bridge argument is being a little technical. My point was about peer pressure, following the mob mentality, that sort of thing. Not the height of said bridge.

And yeah, I do realize you were probably being sarcastic. Just a little.
on Nov 04, 2004
Well, there's that redneck part of me that wants to tell the "Daily Mirror" to mind their own damn business.

But then again, I read the Mirror and the Guardian almost every day, and I enjoy their articles.

SO yes, I care. Not that it means anything.

*laugh*
on Nov 04, 2004
guilty of the very same things you've accused me (not me specifically, but liberals in general) of doing: of not being willing to face the truth


I don't need to listen to you (i.e. liberals in general) all day, every day to understand that you think you've got a stranglehold on the truth and are bound and determined to convince me of it by sheer, mindless repetition.

The left has lost many opportunities to spread their message because of their attitude of DEMANDING to be heard, instead of attempting to discourse civilly.
on Nov 04, 2004
Truth is subjective and depends on the one who perceives that truth!!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident..."

Nothing is true, everything is permitted Plinko!!
on Nov 04, 2004
I don't think I have a stranglehold on the truth, and yet time after time I hear how WRONG I am and how *I* should be the one to face the truth. I think Grim put it the best way though. But then we could get into a whole discussion about what is truth and who defines truth etc. and eventually one of us is going to bring up movie quotes and possibly even song or bible quotes. I'm not trying to prove anything except that the original article is how people feel around the world. I happen to care about this. And you're right... you don't need to listen to me. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking.

Thanks, btw, Myrrander.
on Nov 05, 2004
Does anybody care about this?

By: CraigAlan
Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004
Message Board: Politics
This is from "The Daily Mirror," a paper in Great Britain (one of our "greatest allies")


Moreover, I care about what people outside the U.S. think. This may be America and we may have our own way of doing things around here (and if you don't love it, leave it), but the fact is if you want to think that way then you lose sight of the bigger picture.


No I don't care and I believe you will find yourself in the minority on this.
on Nov 05, 2004




Reply #2 By: CraigAlan - 11/4/2004 5:25:36 PM
I can be a man and admit Bush won and Kerry lost, but don't expect me for one instant to LIKE it.


You don't HAVE to like it. You just gotta do it!
on Nov 05, 2004
"No I don't care and I believe you will find yourself in the minority on this"

Maybe so, but I'm willing to accept that. I'm willing to be vocal about what I believe in and whether or not I gain support is a side issue at this point. I'm a bit interested in why you don't care, and why you've chosen to close your mind and heart.

"You don't HAVE to like it. You just gotta do it!"

Yes, but, I just don't see how admitting he (Bush) won automatically equals I have to shut the f*** up. I know YOU specifically didn't say this to me, but I gotta wonder if maybe it's what you're thinking.
Another thing, if I'm in such a "minority" then why have only a few people responded like you? At least the others on this thread have given a good argument that I can work with. At the risk of sounding like I'm labeling you or pigeonholing you, you remind me a bit of the Captain character in the movie Crimson Tide.

Let me ask you a question: would you be happier if people like me just went away and left you alone? And if so, why do I bother you so much (okay maybe not me personally but my opinions)?
on Nov 05, 2004
Of course I care. And who would dare tell you to shut up? Don't they know this is America?

If this makes me the crazy person on the corner that nobody listens to, fine, so be it.


Sometimes there is a fine line, my friend, but I'll probably see you there.
on Nov 05, 2004
Thanks, I'll leave out the six pack... heck, I'll leave out the keg. Do you mind Guinness?
on Nov 05, 2004
Not at all, especially if it's in a frosty mug with some Bass Ale! mmmmm.
on Nov 05, 2004
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